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    SaintVikas
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    00 15/07/2008 12:48
    Hi All,

    Normally we all shoot RAW images... Once we process it to JPEG/ PNG, should we delete them from hard disk or should we store it considering fact that they occupy good space on hard drive....? [SM=x1258733]


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    00 15/07/2008 14:04
    Hi Vikas!!!
    I never delete my raw files... I think usually people keep the tiff file and the jpg... With the tiff file you have the most of the information and the space stored is very less

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    00 15/07/2008 14:28
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    I guess then I'll have to invest in new Hard drive then.... [SM=x1258740]
    Phango, 7/15/2008 2:04 PM:
    Hi Vikas!!!
    I never delete my raw files... I think usually people keep the tiff file and the jpg... With the tiff file you have the most of the information and the space stored is very less


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    00 15/07/2008 14:31
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    SaintVikas, 15/07/2008 12.48:
    Hi All,

    Normally we all shoot RAW images... Once we process it to JPEG/ PNG, should we delete them from hard disk or should we store it considering fact that they occupy good space on hard drive....? [SM=x1258733]


    ~Vikas


    In general ... my advice is not to delete them!
    They are the "digital negative" : you can always start from them if you learn how to better process your images, or acquire a new and more powerful processing software, or you accidentally delete the processed pictures or ... whatever, I guess you got the point !
    From my point of view you have to care for them the best you can ... backups are compulsory...

    But ... If I understood correctly your question was not aimed at "keep or delete" but rather "keep (on HD) or store (elsewhere)" ... anyway I digressed for clarity sake ... and for beginners [SM=x1258723]

    I know the space allocation is an issue on main HD ... what I do
    is ...

    1) I always shoot in RAW + Jpeg (basic)

    2) Soon after image acquisition on PC I delete RAWs I don't like ... it's like tossing out slides ... some years ago that was it ...
    and in this way I save space!

    3) I keep all the jpegs: it's a sort of instant backup ...

    4) I copy Jpegs and selected RAWs on another PC, where I process the images : in this way the "Acquisition PC" becomes instantly a "backup PC"

    5) I backup regularly the "Processing PC" on external HD

    6) I also backup RAWs on DVD once in a while

    Does it seems too complex ? no, it isn't ...
    Anyway a more straightforward process could be: ...

    1) Keep on PC HD only the RAWs you're working on and the recent ones you downloaded

    2) Store all other RAWs on external HD

    3) Backup all the recent Raws on DVD just before cutting & pasting them into the Ext HD

    4) Backup the processed RAW (Jpegs, PNGs, TIFFs...) on another External HD

    4) It would be nice to have e third external HD mirroring the others two HD ...

    Too many backups?

    "It's better safe than sorry" [SM=g7566]


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    00 15/07/2008 14:38
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    Hi there!

    You manage so many backups? Wow... Currently I'm using external disk... but will surely go a step ahead & will back it up on DVD... [SM=x1258723]

    You are absolutly right about my doubts...cleared all & also gave rise to few more... [SM=g7566]
    How do u look for particular image in backup.....in the sense what naming convention one should be using...I was using dates till recently..but tht becomes too cubersome to track once you have long list of folders with dates.... [SM=x1258729]


    mrxas, 7/15/2008 2:31 PM:


    In general ... my advice is not to delete them!
    They are the "digital negative" : you can always start from them if you learn how to better process your images, or acquire a new and more powerful processing software, or you accidentally delete the processed pictures or ... whatever, I guess you got the point !
    From my point of view you have to care for them the best you can ... backups are compulsory...

    But ... If I understood correctly your question was not aimed at "keep or delete" but rather "keep (on HD) or store (elsewhere)" ... anyway I digressed for clarity sake ... and for beginners [SM=x1258723]

    I know the space allocation is an issue on main HD ... what I do
    is ...

    1) I always shoot in RAW + Jpeg (basic)

    2) Soon after image acquisition on PC I delete RAWs I don't like ... it's like tossing out slides ... some years ago that was it ...
    and in this way I save space!

    3) I keep all the jpegs: it's a sort of instant backup ...

    4) I copy Jpegs and selected RAWs on another PC, where I process the images : in this way the "Acquisition PC" becomes instantly a "backup PC"

    5) I backup regularly the "Processing PC" on external HD

    6) I also backup RAWs on DVD once in a while

    Does it seems too complex ? no, it isn't ...
    Anyway a more straightforward process could be: ...

    1) Keep on PC HD only the RAWs you're working on and the recent ones you downloaded

    2) Store all other RAWs on external HD

    3) Backup all the recent Raws on DVD just before cutting & pasting them into the Ext HD

    4) Backup the processed RAW (Jpegs, PNGs, TIFFs...) on another External HD

    4) It would be nice to have e third external HD mirroring the others two HD ...

    Too many backups?

    "It's better safe than sorry" [SM=g7566]




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    00 15/07/2008 15:12
    Hi there!

    You manage so many backups? Wow... Currently I'm using external disk... but will surely go a step ahead & will back it up on DVD...

    You are absolutly right about my doubts...cleared all & also gave rise to few more...
    How do u look for particular image in backup.....in the sense what naming convention one should be using...I was using dates till recently..but tht becomes too cubersome to track once you have long list of folders with dates....

    Well, actually it is not so difficult ... in short you have a HD set (int and ext) where you store the "masters" (I call "masters" the processed files also). Then you have HD set (ext) where you store the "mirror" of the masters. Last, a number of DVDs (or gold-plated CDs, it would be better) where you store the "masters" ... All in all, only 1 "master" and 2 backups on different media ...
    Of course you can do these backups with one of many automated backup programs you can find on the 'net, freeware too!

    The naming convention is an important issue too ... and anyone has its personal way of dealing with it !
    Provided that there are automated (or guided) ways to do so ... I can tell you my own. It works on "master" and "backup" images as well, of course.

    1) I always keep the original image number (i.e. DSC_1234, IMG_1234 ...)
    2) I create a folder per year
    3) Every download (or shooting session) I create a subfolder coded :

    [year(2digits)&progr.number(4 digits)] - [yyyy.mm.dd] - [location (session subject)]

    So for example for sunflowers I can name this subfolder :

    080155 - 2008.07.13 - Ovada (Sunflowers)

    ... that of course means "the 155th photo session in 2008, shot on 13 July 2008, around Ovada, where main subject were sunflowers"

    Easy isn't it? ... and you have always under control what is what, and ordered chronologically (which I prefer)

    Of course if you use two or more cameras all this becomes slightly more complicated, but you can easily figure out how to embed this info into you personal way of coding ...

    Is everything clear? [SM=g7566]


    [Modificato da mrxas 15/07/2008 15:14]

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    00 16/07/2008 07:33
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    Yes Sir! Things are clear now...The method you listed is easy & very very practicle....

    Thanks a lot Marco... [SM=g8431]

    I've my task cut out now... need to arrange photos properly... Why didnt I join this forum earlier... [SM=x1258768]

    mrxas, 7/15/2008 3:12 PM:
    Hi there!

    You manage so many backups? Wow... Currently I'm using external disk... but will surely go a step ahead & will back it up on DVD...

    You are absolutly right about my doubts...cleared all & also gave rise to few more...
    How do u look for particular image in backup.....in the sense what naming convention one should be using...I was using dates till recently..but tht becomes too cubersome to track once you have long list of folders with dates....

    Well, actually it is not so difficult ... in short you have a HD set (int and ext) where you store the "masters" (I call "masters" the processed files also). Then you have HD set (ext) where you store the "mirror" of the masters. Last, a number of DVDs (or gold-plated CDs, it would be better) where you store the "masters" ... All in all, only 1 "master" and 2 backups on different media ...
    Of course you can do these backups with one of many automated backup programs you can find on the 'net, freeware too!

    The naming convention is an important issue too ... and anyone has its personal way of dealing with it !
    Provided that there are automated (or guided) ways to do so ... I can tell you my own. It works on "master" and "backup" images as well, of course.

    1) I always keep the original image number (i.e. DSC_1234, IMG_1234 ...)
    2) I create a folder per year
    3) Every download (or shooting session) I create a subfolder coded :

    [year(2digits)&progr.number(4 digits)] - [yyyy.mm.dd] - [location (session subject)]

    So for example for sunflowers I can name this subfolder :

    080155 - 2008.07.13 - Ovada (Sunflowers)

    ... that of course means "the 155th photo session in 2008, shot on 13 July 2008, around Ovada, where main subject were sunflowers"

    Easy isn't it? ... and you have always under control what is what, and ordered chronologically (which I prefer)

    Of course if you use two or more cameras all this becomes slightly more complicated, but you can easily figure out how to embed this info into you personal way of coding ...

    Is everything clear? [SM=g7566]





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    00 16/07/2008 09:55
    Yes Sir! Things are clear now...The method you listed is easy & very very practicle....

    Thanks a lot Marco...

    You're welcome, Vikas ! [SM=x1258723]


    I've my task cut out now... need to arrange photos properly... Why didnt I join this forum earlier...

    "Better late than never!!!" [SM=g7566] [SM=x1258730]

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